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"Blessings. Hello. Greetings to each of you. It is our pleasure to be here, and to be with each of you. Sometimes it might feel to you that nonphysical Beings are less real to you. And yet as we come into this energy field to be with you, we are indeed with each of you in a very personal sense. We are not just a voice speaking through this one. So, if you would close your eyes for a minute, and mentally focus on us, we will focus upon you and say, "Hello!"  We will give each of you a personal greeting as if we shake your hand or give you a hug."

"That feels better, at least to us, because in this place, and particularly with this topic, there is something that has been misperceived throughout the ages on the topic of religion. And that is that God is outside of you. God is somehow beyond. God is impersonal. That Spirit is not right in your midst. And that your personal experience is not as important or valued as what you had to learn or know about to be part of a certain religion. So, as we open tonight, we would like to focus on that which is the purpose and intent within any spiritual system of thought, and about how those systems have become crystallized over time."

"Each of you has now come here through your own individual path and process to awaken an individual, personal knowing, or Being connection with God/the Source/Creator, however you name a transcendent experience that is now becoming immanent. Transcendent is that which transcends the reality that you have perceived on the physical plane, and immanent means "within." Immanent is personal. So, as we speak, we wish you to feel that this is informal. That we are with you. We are among you. As if we are sitting together, a group of us all together, and dialoguing. So as we go, if there is something that you wish further clarification upon, please interrupt and ask, so the moment is not lost. We wish you to realize that just as we are here, we also want you to practice being here, being spontaneous with us, not in the old mode or model of church where someone preaches at you and you sit quietly to receive. So, you have our full permission as well as invitation to be actively participating, not only with questions, but  your own thoughts and comments. How do you feel about doing that?"

SURPRISED.

"In what way?"

I GUESS I'M USED TO THE OLD CHURCH FORM.

"Yes. So, surprise! We are not of that form. And so, let us create a new form here tonight with your willingness to participate."

"How did religion form? It formed long before the Christian faith took hold after the presence of Jesus in this earth. There were earlier religions that formed around an individual who had a transcendent experience, an experience of embodiment, an experience inexpressible in words. That experience was not only personally enlightening, but also penetrated their perception of themselves and reality, altering it to such a degree that they could no longer live the way they had lived before in whatever system they grew up in. They then, because they were different, because they emitted a different frequency, a different vibration, and a different pattern, began to set into motion an evolution. The evolution also was in word."

"In the old tradition, the word was passed down verbally through stories, but only by those who also had experienced an embodiment of the transcendent through personal experience. In ancient or tribal traditions, they didn't call their experience with each other religion. Their spirituality was a story with life experiences added within it. The stories included visions, and when visions were retold it was with the emission of the energy of the ones telling the story."

"The Bible is familiar to most of you, although some of you have read other sacred texts. What was largely recorded in the Bible are stories that were originally oral traditions spoken only by those who were prepared by being of that vibration, and therefore qualified to pass it down. When it became written down and available to many people, it was no longer passed down through human divinity. That then became the second step of crystallizing the energy. It no longer lived in a body, but it had to begin to live through the structure of the words. Those who perceive with a clarity and a willingness to also receive the coded energy that is within the words can be helped to directly receive an embodied experience of the specific energy. But, it is one step removed from receiving it directly through a person emitting the energy."

"What began to happen is that in studying, using the mental capacity, ones began to receive the words, but not the energy as directly. And the teaching began to come through those who were not emitting the energy, but were only passing on the tradition and the words. Then they would alter the words to suit their level of consciousness and vibration. As they altered the words, those words then shifted and changed the energy emitted, because the configurations that were coded in the original stories and visions then became diluted. And that is how religion got formed."

"As soon as it is recorded in a word that is then transmitted through people, the vibration is changed. The purpose and the intent of teaching is to facilitate direct experiences of the transcendent, that which is beyond the personal view of reality, so that you are changed. You are altered chemically, vibrationally, and in your experience of yourself and all of reality, all of creation. That was the purpose and intent of the old teaching tradition that was passed on, and on, and on, from generation to generation."

"Whenever one embodied in Earth with that altered vibrational pattern, such as Jesus, there was a change. An energy was present that brought about a new evolutionary path entered into by all who opened to experience directly, to perceive and experience with that one in their presence. And when they experienced it, then it went out from them to others. Every one became an individuation of that primary Source /Creator.  And every one was altered to some degree because of personal vision, experiencing a uniquely personal individual experience of the transcendent. The vibration remains, however, on that evolutionary path as long as ones embody the energy."

"What happened in the Catholic Christian tradition was that there was a massive massacre of those embodiments by the Romans who were afraid of the energies that were beginning to alter and change reality for them. They were already panicking because their own civilization was in a period of decay and disintegration. So, to focus outward on any perceived cause was an excuse that gave them some kind of purpose to continue to exist while disintegrating. So the Christian sect at that time became their focus. Those that remained decided that they had to record the stories because they felt that it was in the interest of survival to do so. By then there was already a penetration of those who had removed themselves from the initial core energy. Those who initially emitted the core energy didn't have to record much, although Paul is one who recorded through letters, and those letters are original. However, much of the writing came afterward and crystallized the original stories that were emitted through personal, vibrational embodiments. Religions continued to grow more and more crystallized as they became mental processes without the original frequency or vibration. Those who carried the original frequencies within them oftentimes were persecuted because they emitted the vibration of change. Do you understand? Do you understanding what is happening to you now?"

"What is happening now is that you are stepping outside of what has been largely a crystallized format. In this time, you have had to come back to an embodiment process. Every religion has had a certain amount of crystallization, and those who are now opening to a direct experience of embodying the transcendent beyond this reality state are emitting the frequencies of a new evolutionary pattern. You are the harbingers of change, of changing this form of reality. What could happen is that you might find your desire to record your experience also leading to another religion. In some cases it is already beginning. Whenever something is recorded, even in a "new age" or alternative spirituality, it begins to have a teaching to be passed on or reported by those who have not yet fully embodied the frequencies of the new energies, then they too are creating a new crystallized form that is being passed on just like any other religion has done. You can feel that, for you are not changed."

"If you are in the presence of one who emits the energy, you will feel a transformation. You begin to open to a greater sense of yourself. You begin to experience an expansion of who you are, and your experience of reality begins to change or alter. If you are in the presence of one who is speaking the words but not emitting the frequency, you will not feel so different. Begin to note that. Also begin to note how people experience you. If you are in the presence of others and they are experiencing expansiveness and openness, open to shifting and changing, or open to new information and new ways of seeing, then you are the one who is bringing forth that change, that evolutionary patterning, for you are emitting that energy."

"And that is what is happening now. The embodiments who are of this Light, of Creator merging with creation, are not to create a new religion, but are to embody worldwide and be present. The Presence  then ignites further ones to be present. There is no need to record and crystallize teachings for future generations, because your future generations are embodying with the evolutionary pattern intact. They don't need you to record this. They don't need you to pass it on. They need you to be present so that their presence can be fully realized. We will speak of this next week when we speak about children and who they are."

"So, there will not be religion in the future. This is the end of the age of religion. Do you want to cheer or do you want to cry?"

CHEER!

"So that is our introduction about this particular topic. There is much we could say in a variety of areas, since it is a vast topic. That depends on your experience and your preference. Before we leave tonight we would like to assist you in decrystallizing the thought forms that were passed on to you that no longer have that energy to assist your evolution. Perhaps we can assist your own presence to be more vital, confident, and able to pass on the stories of this awakening to others. So how would you like to proceed? Do you have comments, questions or stories to share with us?"

I WAS RAISED A SWEDISH LUTHERAN, AND I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THE OLD SONGS. MY FRIEND AND I EXCHANGE HEALING TIMES TOGETHER, AND SHE IS OFTEN URGED TO SING A SONG AT A PARTICULAR POINT. WHEN I HEAR SOME OF THESE SONGS, I OFTEN HEAR THE TRUTH OF THE SONG IN A NEW WAY. WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING I HAD THE THOUGHT THAT PERHAPS THE SONGS CARRY THE VIBRATION AND ARE LESS CRYSTALLIZED THAN THE WORDS.
 

"That is possibly very true. Songs often come from inspiration. Inspiration is a direct connection with the Source, with that greater, vaster universal self. So, they carry more of the vibration. Some are more aligned in that way than others. So when you feel prompted to sing, let that be an opening to bring your embodiment further in."

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT IN REGARD TO THIS. AS MY FRIEND SAID, MANY TIMES SONGS DO COME TO ME WHEN I GIVE A HEALING. THEY ARE MOSTLY SONGS AND OLD RELIGIOUS HYMNS THAT WERE SUNG TO ME AS A CHILD. IT SEEMS THAT MY WHOLE LIFE IS A SONG, AND THAT ANYTHING ANYONE SAYS IS A SONG.

"How beautiful!"

IT SEEMS THAT OFTEN THERE IS JUST ONE PARTICULAR WORD THAT A PERSON NEEDS, NOT THE WHOLE SONG.

"It sounds wonderful. Your way is to sing the songs and to allow the message to come through the song and your own heart. They were sung to you carrying the vibration of love, and that is yet with you."

I DON'T HAVE A VOICE FOR SINGING, I'M NOT A SINGER. MAYBE IT'S JUST POETIC RHYMING, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS COMES TO ME AND I'M TOLD TO SING SOME THINGS WHEN I DON'T HAVE THE VOICE.

"When you sing with love and pure intent, do not fear your voice or qualify it with good or bad. It is your vehicle to bring through the vibration of love and the intent that is to come through for another to receive it. So sing with your full heart within it and allow however it comes to be the gift that it is."

MY QUESTION RELATES DIRECTLY TO MY CATHOLIC UPBRINGING AND MOSTLY MY CHILDHOOD RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE BASED ON FEAR OF GOD. THE FIRST TIME I CAME TO THIS CHURCH I WAS TOLD THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WERE GATHERING HERE
WERE FORMERLY CATHOLIC. I'M WONDERING WHAT THERE IS WITHIN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC FAITH THAT SO CAUSED SUCH AN UPHEAVAL AMONG THEIR FOLLOWERS. I GUESS THE QUESTION OR WHAT I'M WONDERING IS WHY ARE CATHOLICS EVEN TODAY
SUCH OUTCASTS AND WHY WAS THIS SO BASED ON FEAR?
 

"Well, we don't think Catholics were the only ones that had fear. Any Lutherans want to testify? It seems that fear was the vibration that was largely the experience of those embodied. So, all that they could teach was what they knew. They did not come from a personal experience of the transcendent Creator or Love being. They came from an experience of learning the rituals, the truths, or the concepts and beliefs, and yet the vibration that was passed to them through these rituals and beliefs was fear, was the separated self. That self that had no experience of a direct penetration of that God experience, that Source experience, regardless of whether this person was ordained, a minister, or not."

WHAT OF THE POPE? WHAT OF THAT HUMAN THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE HIGHEST STATION THROUGH THE GENERATIONS? HOW COULD THE ONE SUPPOSEDLY SO CLOSE TO GOD ALLOW THINGS LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN? I WILL NEVER STOP BEING BAFFLED.

"Well, the crystallization happened a long time ago, step by step by step. That direct perception of embodying the vibration of change was altered and made into a conserving energy. People began holding certain beliefs rather than emitting the evolutionary path and energy of change, because then they didn't want to change any more. There was a fear of change, a fear of losing what had been created and held. So, it does not matter if one is a Cardinal or a Pope. That position does not give them that evolutionary vibration. To carry that vibration requires a personal commitment to being totally aligned with the purity of truth regardless of the outcome. There was only one in your recent history who embodied that. Do you know which one? Pope John the XXIII. He embodied and emitted a vibration of change, of evolution, that made the crystallized Catholic church change, at least in form. Yet he did not live long enough to continue that patterning, for the conservative element of that faith did not desire more change."

I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY'RE LOSING A LOT OF PARISHIONERS.

"In truth, those who have broken away are those who are following their hearts, their deepest longing for reunion, that deep hunger for a sense of what is real, felt, experienced, known beyond a shadow of a doubt. That hunger is leading ones to search. They search through different faiths or religions perhaps, yet what they find is that they have to go to their hearts, go within themselves, go to those places that have been veiled, that have grown hard with protections from the patternings of fear. Once Love begins to melt the protections and the veils of fear and patterns, then there is a gradual softening and awakening to Love, to being penetrated by your own soul, your own spirit, your own incarnate being, to bring you more and more and more to being your Christed self. You become the fulfillment of the initial intent of Jesus the Christ who brought that frequency, that energy, that vibration into the earth. That pure love disrupted all sorts of things and religions. The Jewish ones of the day did not like him very much. They did not like what he brought. The Catholic ones of today do not like what you bring, or the Lutherans either, or various others. For you are emitting a frequency of evolution beyond where they have yet grown, and it brings to them the truth of love which is to be present and embodied in form. And it is to create new forms, but not forms that will crystallize. Do you understand?"

YES, TO CORRECT IT.

"Not only correct. It is creating an upheaval that is beyond correcting an old system. It is that which destroys. Destroys all that is now held in place by fear, by rigidity of belief, by a fear of change, of letting go of control, however you wish to say it. But it will destroy. Jesus came and he said he did not come to serve that which was in place already, but to bring the sword. The sword was not a sword that was bloody in a physical sense. It was a sword of love which brought to its knees all that had been crystallized and held as truth by people in positions of authority who were separated from this experience of God as Love."

AS A HEALER, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M DOING THE RIGHT THING OR NOT. I'M MARRIED TO A DYED-IN-THE-WOOL LUTHERAN. HE WILL LET ME DO HEALING FOR HIM. HE SAYS JUST DO IT, DON'T TALK ABOUT IT. IN OUR CHURCH WHEN ASKED WHAT OUR WORK WAS I
DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO PUT DOWN ON THE CARD WE WERE TO WEAR. HE WROTE HEALER ON IT. I TOLD OUR MINISTER AND ASSISTANT THAT I WAS A HEALER, AND THE PASTOR ASKED "IF I CAME TO YOU HOW WOULD I KNOW I WAS GETTING A HEALING". I TOLD HIM HE WOULD FEEL IT. HE IS AFRAID OF ME NOW. STILL THERE ARE A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LET ME DO HEALINGS FOR THEM, AND I DO SEND THEM ABSENTEE HEALING. IT'S HARD TO GO PUBLIC AND SAY YOU ARE A HEALER WHEN YOU HAVE STILL SO MANY PHYSICAL PROBLEMS OF YOUR OWN TO OVERCOME. HOW CAN I  CONVINCE SOMEONE THAT I'M A HEALER WHEN I HAVE SO MUCH TROUBLE.

"Most healers learn of their gift through their own need to heal. So, you open to your gifts and you continue to evolve and heal your own patterning, your own soul, as you continue to assist others. You do not need to be perfect. There is no requirement in this world for perfection of body or for any of you to be perfect before you allow yourself to be a vehicle of love. Love heals you, love heals others. Love is that which brings the body, mind, emotions, and spirit into balance and harmony. Healing was one of the original gifts of all Christian faiths, and is part of the Eastern tradition as well. Healing goes back within most traditions to the very beginning, as one of the primary gifts that is part of the tradition. Part of what is emitted from those who are embodied is that capacity to bring others into harmony and balance, into wholeness, and that is called healing. It is one of the original gifts that is now feared. That resonance of pure love has not been welcomed and invited and brought into everyone's experience so that the true gifts could again be felt, experienced, and then brought into the community. The gifts have been limited by the fear. And you have been limited in knowledge and development of your own gifts and capacities because they have not been called forth by your community of church or religion. They are being called forth now outside of that community, and now you are trying to bring them back in to that community. If you wished, you could say to others that you are only acting to reflect your primary model, which was Jesus."

THEN IT IS ALL RIGHT  FOR ME TO CONTINUE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT I'M A HEALER THEN?

"By all means, yes."

EARLIER YOU TALKED ABOUT PAUL AND YOU SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT HIS WRITINGS CONTAINED THE ENERGY, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU WOULD JUST CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE HE ALSO SAID A LOT OF THINGS THAT I PERSONALLY STRUGGLE WITH AND DISAGREE WITH AND I DON'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND.

"He had a personal experience of this transcendence, and yet he also was very rooted and grounded in his upbringing and the culture of his day. What was changed in him was his heart, but what it came through was his form. His passion was to bring ones into this place of love and to bring the word of the stories to others. Yet he was not fully conscious of all that was polarized and dualistic within his form. It was still there for him. But his heart was coming from a place of truth and of love. Also, anything that is recorded, particularly of the New Testament and even some of the Old Testament of the Bible, has been translated not only once, but many times. This current Bible that you read, even the King James Version, has been significantly altered by those who were in positions of authority in the early Christian church. They would alter this or that because they thought that it would be clearer, but what was clearer was what they thought, not what was intended. So in truth, the spirit of the energy of love is within the scriptures that you have been taught and learned, but much of the configuration and structure has been changed. That is why occasionally you have a powerful experience as the Essence of that Love opens a doorway directly into your experience. However, if ones take it as a literal translation, very soon they are caught in forms that are no longer able to transmit the frequencies of the energy, and they then become crystallized. They are limited in their evolution as well."

IS THAT WHAT IS BEING EXPERIENCED BY THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW?

"Yes, your Religious Right, or dare we say, your religious center."

YOU SAID THAT SOME OF THE SCRIPTURES WERE CHANGED IN TRANSLATIONS. IS THERE SOMETHING REMAINING THAT WE CAN LOOK BACK TO THAT'S STILL ACCURATE OR THAT STILL CARRIES SOMETHING OF THAT ORIGINAL VIBRATION?

"Some of the passages that were recorded of Jesus or Jeshua were pretty clear as they were passed on, particularly if they were of being in his presence. That experience was so powerful that those stories remained and were repeated over and over and over. But what happens when you repeat stories? You give it a little twist and then it gets elaborated upon. Some of the Dead Sea Scrolls that have been found and dug up contain some clearer statements and recordings by witnesses who wrote down their experience of being in this one's presence. So they have not been translated and translated. That has some clarity. The gospel of Thomas has some clarity, some purity. Some of the Essene texts that have been found have some purity and clarity. But realize, as they have been translated from the original Aramaic, there is also some translation. However they have some clarity and purity. When and if you are drawn to read, read for the movement within it, the story within it, the experience of that one's Presence within it. Do you understand? When you connect to the Presence, then you are open to experiencing that Presence, and that Presence then opens you to experiencing the Christed Presence of your own self. So read with the spirit of the movement, the energy, the Presence. And that you can do."

WOULD YOU ADDRESS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS?

"The Ten Commandments were given to Moses during a time when the Children of the Earth were yet children. The Children of the Earth were those whose evolution of soul began in the physical form of earth. They did not begin elsewhere as in the starseeded sense. The Children of the Earth are those whose souls began their evolutionary path here. The Ten Commandments were given to the Children of the Earth who needed guidance for their evolution, guidance that was direct, clear, concise, and easy to remember. That was the Ten Commandments. How many of you have had to learn them as children? Direct, clear, easy to remember. That was its purpose and it served the purpose of the evolution of the time until Jesus came, or until the Essenes evolved who were earlier than he in the Western tradition. Jesus came to bring a new law. It was the law of love. The law of love was given to the Children of the Earth who are opening to this new frequency, this new vibration, to begin the next phase of their evolution and grow to maturity. Maturity is full embodiment as witnessed, as modeled by Jeshua (Jesus). So the Ten Commandments were for those whose evolution needed that kind of direct, consistent, concise guidance. You might say that the twelve-step program is sort of like a ten commandments for recovery.  There is a program of steps that lead from one place to another, and the commandments are like that in some ways. Yet they are focused on behavior. What Jesus brought was the embodiment, the law of Love. Love others as you love yourself. Love yourself, open your heart, experience Love. Love God above all else in the sense of connecting directly to that Source. Then you act out of love. You don't need commandments. For that is your commandment, that you act always in integrity with that Presence, that Love, God to God."

I UNDERSTAND AND I STILL HAVE PROBLEMS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SIXTH COMMANDMENT.

"And what is your problem? What is your difficulty with it?"

I BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE ARE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE NOT OBEYED THAT COMMANDMENT.

"What is happening now is that there is a disintegration. As the disintegration proceeds, there is that which breaks down. All form is in the process of disintegrating in order to release the energy held within it. That energy is then freed to create fluid, cocreative ongoing forms of love in earth. So if the form no longer serves, even if there is a law or rule about it, it cannot be held if the heart is not a part of it. Step from the place of the context of the law to the center of what is in your heart. You would not be a healer if you only allowed yourself to follow the rule or the law as it is taught in your particular faith. You have to follow your heart, and it leads you to open to your capacity, open to more awareness and more healing of yourself. That is true for all, and one cannot judge another ones action based on the law, the ten commandments or any other law. If a person comes from their heart, that action is in integrity with the highest law that exists, beyond anything which has been written or recorded anywhere. If they are acting from a place of their own illusion, then there is usually some kind of pain involved, harm to self or another. Pain is not necessarily bad. Pain can be very growthful. However, that which is the law of love brings expansion, brings truth, brings change, and that is what you are seeing."

DID I READ SOMEWHERE THAT JESUS WAS AN ESSENE, AND WAS THAT A RELIGION?

"The Essenes were a sect, a mystery sect of the Judaic tradition. They were actually outcasts of the Pharisee tradition, and those who were the public Pharisee teachers considered the Essenes heretics in their faith. They were a branch of the Judaic tradition and they maintained the mystery school of that tradition, the Cabbalistic tradition. Joseph was a member of the Essenes. The Essene tradition had a prophecy. They knew that one was to be born of their lineage, and that that person would bring about the shift and the change that was prophesied, was predicted. They prepared for it in their way of life. They had very small communities that were very strict in their eating, in their habits, and in their prayer. More strict in some ways than any of the public Judaic sects were teaching in that time. They felt that they were to be pure to bring through this pure frequency. Mary's father had, as a child, studied with the Essenes, and then became a sort of bridge, walking the line between both.  He was loved in both the public religion and the more private mystery school. So the energy came through that sect to keep the prophecy alive and guide those who were embodied to be Jesus' parents and his community. So, Jesus was often visited by those who were of this sect in his home as a child, and some of what he learned he learned by listening to these learned ones, these ones who were very holy, speaking and sharing and telling the stories."

THERE IS A TIME IN THE LIFE OF JESUS ABOUT WHICH THERE ISN'T MUCH KNOWN. I HAVE HEARD THAT HE WENT TO THE EAST DURING THOSE YEARS. WOULD YOU COMMENT?

"He stayed near his home until he was of the age of maturity, which was young then, about sixteen or seventeen. Then he caught a caravan going East and rode with them beginning to explore other traditions, other peoples, and other teachings. He was lead by the caravan across the desert and he found his way to India and into the Himalayas. There he found highly evolved beings who brought him in and taught him. He was then fully initiated from the physical awareness of himself into a full awareness of his power, his capacity, and his mission or purpose. He was also prepared chemically for the transfiguration on the mountain, and then later the resurrection. The transfiguration was a sort of sneak preview, or a rehearsal; a rehearsal for the resurrection, actually. But he was chemically assisted in his physical transmutation, because his physical body also carried some of the same characteristics of your physical body. The DNA had to be similar or he would not have had a physical body. So some of that DNA had to be facilitated to open just as it is opening for you. He then went back, but this time with a different route, and he visited Greece and Egypt. He went to both of those major cultures and again was drawn to the places of learning, and was well versed in other languages by this time. He found it very easy to pick up other languages. It is part of why he embraced all traditions, all of humanity, and had no desire for what he was teaching to be crystallized into another tradition. Because of that, he cautioned those around him to not preach and teach. It is why he did not come to make another kingdom in the earth. He came to bring a kingdom of love that was to be experienced and accessed through your heart of love. That was his desire, his intent, and all that he experienced prepared him for those few years in which he publicly allowed his Presence to be visible, to touch others in ways that were far more profound than anything he spoke."

WHY WAS IT THAT HE HAD TO DIE?

Well, partially to show you that death is not the end of life. Before his death and resurrection there was no visible witness that physically showed you that death was not the end of life, that life continued. So after a very visible and complete death of the body real enough to be felt, he then gave witness to the possibility of having a body in the earth that is not able to die again.

SO WHO CONVENIENTLY TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND THE INFORMATION ABOUT REINCARNATION OUT OF THE TEACHINGS? DID SOMEONE DECIDE THAT REINCARNATION WAS NOT TO BE TAUGHT?

"It's in the teachings, but again, it was changed. It's covered up and not so evident, not so visible. Some decided that the awareness of reincarnation was not a good idea any longer. In fact, there was an entire meeting about it, and those who decided said, "We'd better get things cleared up then," and they went through the texts and altered them."

WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?

"That was rather late, into the ninth and tenth centuries."

WOULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT JESUS SAID WHEN HE SAID, "NO MAN COMES UNTO THE FATHER BUT BY ME"?

"By the time he was saying "me," he was no longer identified with his individual self. That is the misperception. He was no longer identified with his individuation as a separate self. When he spoke of himself, he spoke the experience of Divinity, of the Christ. Do you understand? So it is possible to access a greater fullness of Divinity through that Christed self, the universal self. Ones interpret it as him seeing himself as a personal little self. He had no concept of himself that way, particularly when he was channeling, which is basically a lot of what he did."

THEN YOU WOULD SAY THAT WHEN NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME, IN OTHER WORDS, NOT AS A PERSON BUT BY WHAT HE TAUGHT?

"By who he embodied, who he was as an embodiment of the Source, as an embodiment of this Christed nature. That is all of your natures. He also said that he was the way, the truth, and the life. Another saying that people would say speaks only about him. That is an expression from one who has embodied that experience of being fully integrated as the way, the truth, and experience of life without end."

SOMEBODY MENTIONED TO ME THAT JESUS HAD A VARIETY OF INCARNATIONS HIMSELF, OTHER LIVES. IS THAT THE CASE?

"Yes. He has a great love, a great, great love for humanity. He, as an individuation, carries unfathomable love for the Children of the Earth as well as for all who have been a part of the evolution here. So he has embodied more than once in order to be present here, in order to bring love into form here. He has not always been so visible. In fact, in the last two thousand years he refused, he absolutely refused, to be that visible again because of what happened afterwards. Not that it was bad, but you are now having a difficult time releasing the constructs that grew up around him and his life which he is now, if anything, directly assisting you to release. He is very active, attempting with intent to release the teaching that he is the savior which places the focus outside of yourself. So he is leading this evolution and revolution of heart. But he absolutely refused to be in any form that would be public. His embodiments since that time have been quiet, loving, gentle, and those who have been in his presence have known that they have been in the presence of one who is of great love. But they have not recognized him or put two and two together."

I HAVE HEARD THAT HE WAS THE FIRST ADAM. IS THERE ANY TRUTH IN THAT?

"The first Adam, or first body of earth, was a creation by those who were of higher evolution with the highest level of primate that had evolved in the earth plane. The DNA was adapted to bring about a human form. Those original human forms took awhile to evolve the necessary brain capacity for those of higher evolution to embody. So the first experience of humanity or soul embodiment was actually new souls who were brought into the bodies of earth in order to continue the evolution that was at that level. At a certain period or point in time, the evolution of the body was sufficient for embodiment of those who were of different configurations, or starseeds. Previous to the physical human body there were civilizations of embodiment, but without a human DNA, or primate DNA. It was a body that left no remains for it was a spirit formed body. Do you understand? We are getting a bit more technical about the creation of this form that you now inhabit than perhaps you have asked for. However, that is recorded in your bible in Genesis that that which was the human form was formed out of the earth in a sense and then brought to life by God acting through consciousnesses that could do this."

I UNDERSTOOD YOU TO SAY THAT JESUS HAS BEEN ON EARTH IN OTHER EMBODIMENTS SINCE HE WAS HERE 2,000 YEARS AGO. WAS HE BORN OF A WOMAN? DID HE HAVE A CHILDHOOD AND ALL OF THE SAME KIND OF EXPERIENCES? AND ALSO, WHAT WAS HIS PURPOSE?
 

"His purpose has always been to embody love. That is his primary intent and purpose. He did not bring the fullness of his being into those incarnations, because he did not want to be visible. So, yes he was born of a human mother and had experiences in the human form. Usually he had experiences that brought him into contact with those who were facilitating the evolution or those who were bearing the light and the love and who needed a boost."

WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND TALKED TO JESUS, I PRAYED TO HIM AND FELT HIS PRESENCE. AS I STUDIED I BECAME VERY ANGRY AT HIM FOR ALLOWING THESE DISTORTIONS TO HAPPEN, AND NOW I HEAR YOU SAYING THAT HE WAS NOT PLEASED AT HOW HE WAS CRYSTALLIZED. WHEN I SEE JESUS IN MEDITATION AND HAVE EXPERIENCES WITH HIM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HIS FORM IS NOW. DO YOU JUST SAY IT'S JESUS IN SPIRIT, OR CHRIST ENERGY, OR HOW WOULD YOU ARTICULATE IT?

"He is able to be present in form through which you experience an expansion of your own divine presence, and because he was also human in this earth plane, his desires were quite idealistic. His intent was very clearly and very purely to bring this message of love and illustrate how love could manifest itself in form, to bring healing, balance, and harmony, and to bring about a change that would shift all that was old and outdated. He illustrated and demonstrated all that and life beyond death. He fulfilled the intent of his purpose in that embodiment, and he had a great hope that the intent would live on in those who experienced it directly. Yet, he was also aware that there was a great amount of polarization, duality, and density in the earth yet, and that the Children of the Earth needed to evolve further. He was aware of that. He also was aware that that the evolution would take some time, another revolution of the wheel. And so, the revolution of the wheel has come around again. It is now that there is a fulfillment of his own words that said that he would come again. Again, he was speaking not as a personal "I", but as the Christed Self. That the Christ would again be born in the earth. His Presence is experienced directly as a means of initiating your own Presence."

I'M WONDERING HOW ALL THIS GOT TWISTED AND TURNED INTO THE IDEA OF HEAVEN AND HELL. IN CHRISTIANITY THERE IS THIS PERVASIVE THING THAT YOU BETTER DO SUCH AND SUCH OR YOU'RE GOING TO HELL. OTHERWISE YOU GO TO HEAVEN THAT IS
SOMEWHERE "OUT THERE". WOULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT?

"Well, it sounds like a childhood story, does it not? The teaching was a way of telling those who yet needed guidance a story that would assist them to choose a greater path of love rather than other paths. Perhaps you've read about them in your history books. In the middle ages there was much fighting and killing, and not a lot of sacredness for life. So those stories get told by those who use the original teachings, and then alter, change or enhance them for their own purposes. Then these stories get passed on, and the fear of going to hell is added. The fear of God continues to go through further fear patterning, then you receive what was your upbringing. And yet, you were born with another awareness that was clearly put into your DNA and into your awareness of yourself as a child that began to question these teachings. You were more conscious than your parents. Your parents were more conscious than their parents, for the evolution of consciousness has been the big story, and now you are saying these stories don't feel true any more."

"Heaven is a state beyond the body. When ones go to the light on the other side of this physical form, there is an experience of love that is so permeable that ones cannot deny that they are experiencing God, Heaven, the angels, etc. And yet, there are many levels of evolution and expansion beyond the doorway into this level. Then there are other levels where there is very great density of thought and emotion; where there is great attachment to physical desires, appetites, and addictions. Those planes also exist. When Dante was taken on a tour of hell, he visited some of these places where the appetites, the desires of addiction, were playing themselves out in the astral plane. While there are still some of those places in existence, they are emptying because the astral plane will no longer be able to exist. In Catholic terms, Purgatory is where your ghosts live. It's where ones get caught in an in-between state, still attached to the earth plane and not able to go on to continue evolution beyond the veil of that. The denser levels of the astral plane can be lived out in a human body as well as in the astral plane. These planes could be called "hell." It is not an irreversible place. It is a place where ones will stay until they get an awareness or a thought that perhaps they don't have to."

REGARDING PURGATORY, I REMEMBER THAT WE USED TO REPEAT PRAYERS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND AT THE END OF THE PRAYERS WE GOT SO MANY DAYS INDULGENCES. WAS THAT BUILDING OUR CREDIT CHEST OF GRACE TO GET US OUT OF PURGATORY?

"What do you think?"

YES.

"Anytime you invoke God's name and ask with intent, you are setting into motion that intent. If your intent is to go straight to heaven, so to speak, then you are continually giving yourself that affirmation which basically says you want to continue to evolve in love, to evolve beyond duality as much as possible in this embodiment. So you set into motion your current state of affairs so that you won't go to Purgatory."
 

Continued on Part 2
 

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